Square Wheels Posted February 28, 2020 Share #1 Posted February 28, 2020 Should you do it at the scene or where you plan to bury it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR46 Posted February 28, 2020 Share #2 Posted February 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Square Wheels said: Should you do it at the scene or where you plan to bury it? Why would you dismember it if you are planning on burring it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted February 28, 2020 Share #3 Posted February 28, 2020 You're going to a lot of trouble with little benefit. Tie it to a cinder block or two then dump it in the lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groupw Posted February 28, 2020 Share #4 Posted February 28, 2020 Got any pigs? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted February 28, 2020 Share #5 Posted February 28, 2020 At the burial site works ok. I was going out the door to go to work. I hadn’t seen the cat for several days. As I was driving out the driveway I noticed the cat sleeping under the pine tree. I got out and checked to see if he was ok. He was not, flies buzzing all around him. My parents were due back from vacation while I was at work. I didn’t want them to see their cat that way. I didn’t have much time or I’d be late for work. I grabbed a shovel and dug a hole in the back part of the garden. The ground was hard to dig in. I threw the cat in the hole, his legs were sticking out of the hole because he was stiff and I didn’t have the hole deep enough. I looked at my watch, out of time. Chopped his legs off with the shovel, threw them in on top of him, filled in the hole and went to work. He never felt a thing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted February 28, 2020 Share #6 Posted February 28, 2020 I do dismembering all the time. It's remembering that I find difficult. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petitepedal ★ Posted February 28, 2020 Share #7 Posted February 28, 2020 I am not sure...but I encountered a decapitated female head on my way back from the bank today..... Somewhere some little girl has a headless dolly 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted February 28, 2020 Share #8 Posted February 28, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #9 Posted February 29, 2020 I haven't contemplated either choice before, so this is off the top of my attached head: If I was going to bury the body, I'd be expecting no one would find it because DNA, etc. would establish who it is from a finger, etc. So I wouldn't bother chopping up the body though decapitation and burying the head elsewhere might have some benefit. I'd also leave it intact if was going to copy the strategy of the that soldier from PA (I can't remember if it was a real life thing or something from Bones, etc. on TV) who dumped his ex-wife's body in abandoned mine(s) in PA. There are many of them. I've been in the entrances of a couple of them where the Susquehanna River rose inside to with 50-100 feet of the entrance and they wouldn't be sending divers to find the weighted body in more than a few of them. The only reason a quick think produces is to chop up a body is to dissolve it in acid or to submerge it in a body of water where the weights around the pieces would let the sea life devour the flesh before any of it floated to the top or to destroy it in some other fashion. In my case, I wonder what the experience would do to me mentally for the rest of my life. Probably continual guilt and fear of discovery. The result would not make things better for me than the killing, unless my life was in danger from that person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #10 Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Longjohn said: At the burial site works ok. I was going out the door to go to work. I hadn’t seen the cat for several days. As I was driving out the driveway I noticed the cat sleeping under the pine tree. I got out and checked to see if he was ok. He was not, flies buzzing all around him. My parents were due back from vacation while I was at work. I didn’t want them to see their cat that way. I didn’t have much time or I’d be late for work. I grabbed a shovel and dug a hole in the back part of the garden. The ground was hard to dig in. I threw the cat in the hole, his legs were sticking out of the hole because he was stiff and I didn’t have the hole deep enough. I looked at my watch, out of time. Chopped his legs off with the shovel, threw them in on top of him, filled in the hole and went to work. He never felt a thing. But we sure did! Ouch! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted February 29, 2020 Share #11 Posted February 29, 2020 Do it on site. That is the messy part. You want to bury at a spit where no one cand find them....., kill sites are often easy to find. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted February 29, 2020 Share #12 Posted February 29, 2020 Like I'm about to give you all my tricks and possibly make it easier for the police to catch me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Totin Jack ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #13 Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, petitepedal said: I am not sure...but I encountered a decapitated female head on my way back from the bank today..... Somewhere some little girl has a headless dolly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 29, 2020 Share #14 Posted February 29, 2020 I’ve done it both ways and really don’t have a preference 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #15 Posted February 29, 2020 I would have to rewatch Breaking Bad and get back to you. Hydroflouric acid if it wasn't so fricken dangerous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Far ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #16 Posted February 29, 2020 I prefer a barrel of H2SO4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted February 29, 2020 Share #17 Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Zephyr said: Do it on site. That is the messy part. You want to bury at a spit where no one cand find them....., kill sites are often easy to find. ...this.is good advice as far as it goes. You want to hang and bleed the carcass as soon as you can, otherwise you will spoil the meat. But you really ought to wait until you get home to do the butchering, wrapping, and freezing. You need a cleaner environment and some kind of tabletop/butcher block. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted February 29, 2020 Share #18 Posted February 29, 2020 Use a wood chipper. Not in winter, of course. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #19 Posted February 29, 2020 If you have access to a steel mill no dismembering or burying needed. People were always coming up missing at the steel mill. Accidentally slipped, committed suicide, or were pushed, nobody knows. No dental records or dog tags survive in a ladle of steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Share #20 Posted February 29, 2020 You fools, you have to dismember. Have you ever handled a body? Way heavier than you would think, and very cumbersome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #21 Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Bellybutton Lent said: You fools, you have to dismember. Have you ever handled a body? Way heavier than you would think, and very cumbersome So you are saying this was a trick question by kazoo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR46 Posted February 29, 2020 Share #22 Posted February 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Bellybutton Lent said: You fools, you have to dismember. Have you ever handled a body? Way heavier than you would think, and very cumbersome You can just Google Ed Gein and you can figure it out from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted February 29, 2020 Share #23 Posted February 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Bellybutton Lent said: You fools, you have to dismember. Have you ever handled a body? Way heavier than you would think, and very cumbersome With a little planning, you can just dump the whole body in the crawl space. Think, man. Think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted February 29, 2020 Share #24 Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: So you are saying this was a trick question by kazoo? no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted February 29, 2020 Share #25 Posted February 29, 2020 8 hours ago, Randomguy said: You fools, you have to dismember. Have you ever handled a body? Way heavier than you would think, and very cumbersome True story 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #26 Posted February 29, 2020 Just now, Zephyr said: True story Do bodies disintegrate under water? Or get eaten by fish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Share #27 Posted February 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Square Wheels said: Do bodies disintegrate under water? Or get eaten by fish? They do that faster if they have been dismembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted February 29, 2020 Share #28 Posted February 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Square Wheels said: Do bodies disintegrate under water? Or get eaten by Yes, in most cases they will break down in the water, however the decomposition process is altered somewhat compared to the process on land. In some cases in a low oxygen environment, for chemical reasons I will not go into, but think of DH's soap making process, the body gets a waxy coating on the outside through a process of saponification. When that happens the decomposition process can be greatly retarded or stopped altogether. We have recovered bodies that are still body-ish 29 years after they went in the water. And lots of things eat bodies, but mostly in salt water as opposed to fresh. That process can take as little as a few days in the right conditions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #29 Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Zephyr said: Yes, in most cases they will break down in the water, however the decomposition process is altered somewhat compared to the process on land. In some cases in a low oxygen environment, for chemical reasons I will not go into, but think of DH's soap making process, the body gets a waxy coating on the outside through a process of saponification. When that happens the decomposition process can be greatly retarded or stopped altogether. We have recovered bodies that are still body-ish 29 years after they went in the water. And lots of things eat bodies, but mostly in salt water as opposed to fresh. That process can take as little as a few days in the right conditions How do you get a body up when it's in pieces? What do first time divers do when they can't handle the gore and need to puke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted February 29, 2020 Share #30 Posted February 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Zephyr said: Yes, in most cases they will break down in the water, however the decomposition process is altered somewhat compared to the process on land. In some cases in a low oxygen environment, for chemical reasons I will not go into, but think of DH's soap making process, the body gets a waxy coating on the outside through a process of saponification. When that happens the decomposition process can be greatly retarded or stopped altogether. We have recovered bodies that are still body-ish 29 years after they went in the water. And lots of things eat bodies, but mostly in salt water as opposed to fresh. That process can take as little as a few days in the right conditions How you can even do your line of work... it's enough for medical students to look at dead body as part of their studies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted February 29, 2020 Share #31 Posted February 29, 2020 We have special bags for when they are in various stages of decomposition. As for the divers, for us that is not the issue. All of our divers are police officers and once you have been to a few Honda Civic vs Transport Truck accidents and walked up and down the side of a road with a bag picking up eye balls, kidneys and brains..., a vic in the water is pretty tame. As I often say..., for the most part people tend to drown in one piece and nothing stinks underwater. And as long as you chew your food well you can puke through your regulator if you have to, but it is a rare occurrence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #32 Posted February 29, 2020 Just now, Zephyr said: And as long as you chew your food well you can puke through your regulator if you have to That's good info to know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted February 29, 2020 Share #33 Posted February 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, shootingstar said: How you can even do your line of work... it's enough for medical students to look at dead body as part of their studies. First responders (police, fire, paramedics) see way more dead bodies than a large majority of doctors, with the exception of big city ER docs maybe. We all do it for different reasons, and all are required to see a Psychiatrist at least once a year. Some people walk away after their first recovery if they feel it isnt for them. For most..., it is the challenge. Finding someone in the water can be extremely difficult. When a victim is located it is normally high fives or fist bumps on the team because we have succeeded. We are also not a rescue team, we know the victim is dead before we arrive so their is no pressure to try to save someone. It is way harder on the team to have to tell a family that we could not find their child and we are done and going home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Share #34 Posted February 29, 2020 32 minutes ago, Zephyr said: think of DH's soap making process I knew she used bodies when making soap; that chick doesn't waste a thing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted February 29, 2020 Share #35 Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Zephyr said: First responders (police, fire, paramedics) see way more dead bodies than a large majority of doctors, with the exception of big city ER docs maybe. We all do it for different reasons, and all are required to see a Psychiatrist at least once a year. Some people walk away after their first recovery if they feel it isnt for them. For most..., it is the challenge. Finding someone in the water can be extremely difficult. When a victim is located it is normally high fives or fist bumps on the team because we have succeeded. We are also not a rescue team, we know the victim is dead before we arrive so their is no pressure to try to save someone. It is way harder on the team to have to tell a family that we could not find their child and we are done and going home. I've never asked my doc-sis who has worked in ER for 90% of career as physician so far, how many patients have died in her care or were brought to her...dead. One day I will. She certainly has had to tell family members at the hospital, that their loved one has died. She has been in practice for past 17 yrs. I try not to initiate questions on the intricacies of her work. It's better that as a family member who loves her and cares about her as a person/not as doctor, that she comes forward to vent/say what she wants. You may have seen more. She probably sees more from a different angle: to help people badly injured....etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted February 29, 2020 Share #36 Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, shootingstar said: I've never asked my doc-sis who has worked in ER for 90% of career as physician so far, how many patients have died in her care or were brought to her...dead. One day I will. She certainly has had to tell family members at the hospital, that their loved one has died. She has been in practice for past 17 yrs. I try not to initiate questions on the intricacies of her work. It's better that as a family member who loves her and cares about her as a person/not as doctor, that she comes forward to vent/say what she wants. You may have seen more. She probably sees more from a different angle: to help people badly injured....etc. She is like us..., probably has lots of super interesting stories but does not really tell them to those outside the professional circle as generally people not in that world cannot relate to what she has experienced. You are right not to ask..., if she wants to tell you at some point, she will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted February 29, 2020 Share #37 Posted February 29, 2020 43 minutes ago, Zephyr said: She is like us..., probably has lots of super interesting stories but does not really tell them to those outside the professional circle as generally people not in that world cannot relate to what she has experienced. You are right not to ask..., if she wants to tell you at some point, she will I'm glad she has a great close-friend-doctor from their days of med school to share/support each other and probably swap incredible stories and help each other with updated info. I know that she's abit tired...tired of seeing people all the time, not at their best. After all, she also sees ordinary "illnesses" that are minor in ER when people line up, etc. in the evening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #38 Posted February 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Zephyr said: She is like us..., probably has lots of super interesting stories but does not really tell them to those outside the professional circle as generally people not in that world cannot relate to what she has experienced. I can create a new section here where you can post these awesome stories. Some would like to hear, and see, what you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team scooter Posted February 29, 2020 Share #39 Posted February 29, 2020 This thread is why at work, I always check inside the giant tub grinder before I start it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted March 1, 2020 Share #40 Posted March 1, 2020 9 hours ago, Square Wheels said: I can create a new section here where you can post these awesome stories. Some would like to hear, and see, what you do. When we finally end up in the same town at the same time and go out for nice vegan dinner somewhere, I will tell you all the stories you can handle. (With pictures) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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