Randomguy Posted August 11, 2020 Share #1 Posted August 11, 2020 Bleh. On the bright side, it was easy to remove the tube and find the sharp wire segment to pull out. On the not bright side, I used a 4 year-old (at least tube) and used my 5 year-old (at least) Co2 cartridges and got about 20lbs of air each into the tire, and the tube isn't holding air so well. I didn't know that sealed Co2 cartridges would lose air to that extent, how long do you think they are generally good for? I also hit something hard enough to rotate the bars a quarter turn down in a separate incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted August 11, 2020 Share #2 Posted August 11, 2020 One of the reasons I don’t cycle much anymore. I know that’s a wussy excuse, but it’s mine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #3 Posted August 11, 2020 3 hours ago, BuffJim said: One of the reasons I don’t cycle much anymore. I know that’s a wussy excuse, but it’s mine. Get Gatorades! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #4 Posted August 11, 2020 If CO2 won't do it then CO3 is called for. The bike may ride a bit harshly but it's unlikely to get a flat. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #5 Posted August 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: If CO2 won't do it then CO3 is called for. The bike may ride a bit harshly but it's unlikely to get a flat. Dr mickin is going to kick your ass for that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Come Lately Name Posted August 11, 2020 Share #6 Posted August 11, 2020 Every day you raise the bar for “pantywaist”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parr8hed Posted August 11, 2020 Share #7 Posted August 11, 2020 I have never known them to lose pressure. I have on numerous occasions had operator error that resulted in a substandard amount of air getting into the tube. I would suspect this could be your cause? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #8 Posted August 11, 2020 CO2 is notorious for leaking through tubes. After emergency flat use, the tire should have it replaced by the appropriate season of air. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted August 11, 2020 Share #9 Posted August 11, 2020 As far as I am concerned, a pump is essential even with CO2 for city riding. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted August 11, 2020 Share #10 Posted August 11, 2020 Smart people have a frame pump. Gatorskins are great too, just a pain in the ass (thumbs really) to get on the rim. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #11 Posted August 11, 2020 I have never had a puncture with Bontrager hard case tires. They are easy to mount and good for high mileage riding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #12 Posted August 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, Mr. Grumpy said: Gatorskins are great too, just a pain in the ass (thumbs really) to get on the rim. big PITA, especially when new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13 Posted August 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, bikeman564™ said: big PITA, especially when new Doesn't this vary with rims? I don't remember them being that bad, but I never rode high tech rims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted August 11, 2020 Share #14 Posted August 11, 2020 How many miles have you ridden? Did you check those tires before you left home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #15 Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Parr8hed said: I have never known them to lose pressure. I have on numerous occasions had operator error that resulted in a substandard amount of air getting into the tube. I would suspect this could be your cause? 100%. I have a box of CO2 carts from a decade or more in the garage (BB gun leftovers). They do not ever lose pressure unless punctured. A 12g BB-gun CO2 really only gets a 25mm tire to ~60psi in real world use. Generally, I go with the hand pump to get it a few PSI (round and up into the tire, and then I hit it with controlled bursts of CO2. That makes the tire feel firm, but not floor pump 90 PSI firm. I then ride some more and, if it is a long ride, I see how it is feeling after a bit of riding, and if it needs another hit of CO2, I give it maybe a 1/2 cart more. When I get home, I deflate the tire and refill with regular floor pump air. And replace the spent carts with "new" 10+ yr old carts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share #16 Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Parr8hed said: I have never known them to lose pressure. I have on numerous occasions had operator error that resulted in a substandard amount of air getting into the tube. I would suspect this could be your cause? I am quite experienced changing flats! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share #17 Posted August 11, 2020 58 minutes ago, Mr. Grumpy said: Smart Dumb people have a frame pump. No way I want to carry a pump like the average Amish rider, not in this day and age. One tube, 3 Co2 cartridges, patch kit, multitool, that is pretty much what I have carried for the last 20 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #18 Posted August 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Randomguy said: No way I want to carry a pump like the average Amish rider, not in this day and age. One tube, 3 Co2 cartridges, patch kit, multitool, that is pretty much what I have carried for the last 20 years. I hate conventional frame pumps but I really heart the Topeak roadmorph. Yes, it is a pain to mount but I am way too cheap and paranoid to ever depend on co2 alone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #19 Posted August 11, 2020 49 minutes ago, sheep_herder said: Doesn't this vary with rims? I don't remember them being that bad, but I never rode high tech rims. I have never really noticed much difference between gator skins and any other taar as faar as mounting difficulty. But then I am sort of numb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #20 Posted August 11, 2020 51 minutes ago, sheep_herder said: Doesn't this vary with rims? I don't remember them being that bad, but I never rode high tech rims. Not sure. I've only used them on Mavic. I know other people that had issues too though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #21 Posted August 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Randomguy said: No way I want to carry a pump like the average Amish rider, not in this day and age. One tube, 3 Co2 cartridges, patch kit, multitool, that is pretty much what I have carried for the last 20 years. I like the saddlebag with 2 carts, tube, & a useless patch kit, and the Lezyne pump in my back pocket. It's small & light, and useful for getting that tube partially inflated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share #22 Posted August 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: 100%. I have a box of CO2 carts from a decade or more in the garage (BB gun leftovers). They do not ever lose pressure unless punctured. A 12g BB-gun CO2 really only gets a 25mm tire to ~60psi in real world use. Generally, I go with the hand pump to get it a few PSI (round and up into the tire, and then I hit it with controlled bursts of CO2. That makes the tire feel firm, but not floor pump 90 PSI firm. I then ride some more and, if it is a long ride, I see how it is feeling after a bit of riding, and if it needs another hit of CO2, I give it maybe a 1/2 cart more. When I get home, I deflate the tire and refill with regular floor pump air. And replace the spent carts with "new" 10+ yr old carts. Hmm, I have one left from the batch I ordered ten - twelve years ago, so I ordered more last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Come Lately Name Posted August 11, 2020 Share #23 Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. Grumpy said: Gatorskins are great too, YMMV Only tire I ever flatted on while still new. You guys done steered me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Come Lately Name Posted August 11, 2020 Share #24 Posted August 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Hmm, I have one left from the batch I ordered ten - twelve years ago, so I ordered more last night. Try these. You'll still get flats, but you'll at least be able to laugh about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #25 Posted August 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, F_in Ray Of Sunshine said: YMMV Only tire I ever flatted on while still new. You guys done steered me wrong. I've had broken glass (bottom of a effing bottle riding over the bridge into Georgetown on my way to work) destroy a relatively new Gatorskin. I've had relatively new tires ruined with a totally random cut which I guess I could boot, but just toss and start fresh. Sheot happens to the best tires and sometimes the worst last forever. I bet, though, that RG might be in an especially crappy debris field, and need to think about tubeless and sealant options by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted August 11, 2020 Share #26 Posted August 11, 2020 Do you top off the air, before you leave each time? This has always been my habit. Oh, and tubeless... You do get less flats. It's a thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Come Lately Name Posted August 11, 2020 Share #27 Posted August 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Razors Edge said: Sheot happens to the best tires and sometimes the worst last forever. Yeah, I know. That was kinda tongue-in-cheek. Just thought it was kind of ironic that the tires everyone raves about, I flatted on the second or third ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parr8hed Posted August 11, 2020 Share #28 Posted August 11, 2020 49 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I am quite experienced changing flats! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Come Lately Name Posted August 11, 2020 Share #29 Posted August 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: Oh, and tubeless... You do get less flats. It's a thing. But then he’d have to find something else to whine about. Which he is quite capable of.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted August 11, 2020 Share #30 Posted August 11, 2020 29 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Hmm, I have one left from the batch I ordered ten - twelve years ago, so I ordered more last night. What size of cartridge? If you are using the same cartridge from your 23's, maybe they wont fill your now bigger tires? I have only filled my 25s with them and nothing bigger. Not sure what volume they will hold. Or....., you could always.... and give us an honest review.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groupw Posted August 11, 2020 Share #31 Posted August 11, 2020 I agree with @Philander Seabury. This is a great pump! And BTW - flats don't suck...they blow... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #32 Posted August 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, groupw said: I agree with @Philander Seabury. This is a great pump! And BTW - flats don't suck...they blow... Back when I first got my Roubaix with super sticky Specialized tires, I used to pick up a lot of crap on my tires that often led to a lot of flats. I used the Roadmorph during those days especially when on a long ride away from home like up on Skyline. Definitely worth it (until I got Gatorskins and then 4000). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted August 11, 2020 Share #33 Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Randomguy said: No way I want to carry a pump like the average Amish rider, not in this day and age. One tube, 3 Co2 cartridges, patch kit, multitool, that is pretty much what I have carried for the last 20 years. Of course had you had a frame pump then you would be complaining about your user error with the malfunctioning CO2 cartridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted August 11, 2020 Share #34 Posted August 11, 2020 I have had enough issues with CO2 that I carry one CO2 canister & of these just in case. Really small & fits in a jersey pocket easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #35 Posted August 11, 2020 9 hours ago, BuffJim said: One of the reasons I don’t cycle much anymore. I know that’s a wussy excuse, but it’s mine. When I got those “bargain” $5 Hutchinson Flash on sale at Performance, it was horribibble! I’ve never seen taars so soft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #36 Posted August 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Razors Edge said: I bet, though, that RG might be in an especially crappy debris city. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share #37 Posted August 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Zephyr said: What size of cartridge? 16g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share #38 Posted August 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Longjohn said: FIFY Ha! It is not a pretty city and there is some construction debris and glass about. It used to be a fun city. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted August 11, 2020 Share #39 Posted August 11, 2020 I have a commuter bike that has tubes. It is very low maintenance. I beat it to death. It runs those tuff liners. They heavy, yes. It just makes me stronger and I have a lot less flats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #40 Posted August 11, 2020 4 hours ago, groupw said: I agree with @Philander Seabury. This is a great pump! And BTW - flats don't suck...they blow... I have the Mountain Morph version for the tandem with 26x2.125 tires. Plus CO2 cartridges. So far no flats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted August 11, 2020 Share #41 Posted August 11, 2020 Just call an Uber. And hope they don't show up in a Fiat. They need like 2 cartridges per tire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #42 Posted August 11, 2020 It's amazing how often I spot a person with a floor pump strapped to a rear rack or poking out a backpack when they are out for a ride. I'd figure out how to beg/borrow/steal a frame pump before I'd be lugging that floor pump with me. I don't even like to throw the floor pump in the car's trunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Forum Administrator Posted August 11, 2020 Share #44 Posted August 11, 2020 I ran over some nasty road debris last week and it led to my first tubeless puncture. I lost a little bit of air pressure, but it sealed itself up. I see the lure of fat bikes now. The low pressure tires just sucked up all of the little bumps in the trail. It was a smooth ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Come Lately Name Posted August 11, 2020 Share #45 Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Forum Administrator said: The low pressure tires just sucked up all of the little bumps in the trail. It was a smooth ride. Gives all the suspension I need - but then, I’m not launching off shit, anymore. After 30, anything you break stays broke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Share #46 Posted August 12, 2020 2 hours ago, F_in Ray Of Sunshine said: After 30, anything you break stays broke. Now you tell me. I didn’t start breaking stuff until I was in my mid fifties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Share #47 Posted August 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, Longjohn said: Now you tell me. I didn’t start breaking stuff until I was in my mid fifties. You shouldn’t have done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Share #48 Posted August 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Philander Seabury said: You shouldn’t have done that. It wasn’t intentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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