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I know 2 women who had to actively stop themselves from having a glass of  red wine every evening. It was a habit that crept slowly in.

Since I am somewhat allergic to alcohol, it keeps me from imbibing much except for special occasions which has been several times / yr. That's why I'm asking since my "problem" already naturally creates a self-restraint. Even the friends I am with, either have same allergy or not much interested/have a modest glass. Having wine for dinner doesn't happen much. I had no interest in challenging my problem by trying beer.  In my (Asian) side of family, it seems genetic, at least. No, not all  Asians get drunk as easily as I.

So what is acceptable frequency for yourself before it becomes a habit that needs to be reduced?

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9 minutes ago, shootingstar said:

I know 2 women who had to actively stop themselves from having a glass of  red wine every evening.

why?  Many medical experts agree that this is actually beneficial.

Like Chris said, depends on why.  A good dinner should include good wine (or beer).  A nightcap is a nice way to end a day.  A beer or 2 in the locker room after the game.  Of course, all of that in one day, or the 3 or 6 beers after a game becomes rather unhealthy.

A friend who lived in Italy most of his life was sent to alcohol counseling by his new US employer, for being truthful about daily wine consumption,  He saw no issue, wine with meals is just how it's done in Italy.

Lent is coming, I'll give up beer and wine.  But not alcohol.  hat's not the point.  It does become a sacrifice to sit down with a nice pasta and no wine, or burgers and water.  An occasional bourbon by the fire isn't the  same.

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38 minutes ago, ChrisL said:

I don’t think frequency is the issue, it’s your behavior and rational for having the wine.  A snort of red wine nightly isn’t an issue (IMHO) but a bottle may be problematic.  Drinking a glass for health as opposed to drinking to cope with life…

My Opa always had a shot of gin every evening “for his health”.  I don’t see that as problematic even if it was for his mental health! 

For 1  of them was weight control and noticing in herself, it was a primary way to relax. She wanted to find other ways that worked for her. She was in her 50's. 

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The 20 Questions

 

 

Take this 20 question test to help you decide whether or not you are an alcoholic. 

Answer YES or NO to the following questions.

1. Do you lose time from work due to drinking? 

YES __ NO __

2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy? 

YES __ NO __

3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?

YES __ NO __

4. Is your drinking affecting your reputation? 

YES __ NO __

5. Have you ever felt remorse after drinking?

YES __ NO __

6. Have you ever got into financial difficulties as a result of drinking?

YES __ NO __

7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?

YES __ NO __

8. Does your drinking make you careless of your family's welfare?

YES __ NO __

9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?

YES __ NO __

10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time?

YES __ NO __

11. Do you want a drink the next morning?

YES __ NO __

12. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?

YES __ NO __

13. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?

YES __ NO __

14. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?

YES __ NO __

15. Do you drink to escape from worries or trouble?

YES __ NO __

16. Do you drink alone?

YES __ NO __

17. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of drinking?

YES __ NO __

18. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?

YES __ NO __

19. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?

YES __ NO __

20. Have you ever been to a hospital or institution because of drinking?

YES __ NO __

What's your score?

If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic. 

If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.

If you answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.

(The test questions are used at Johns Hopkins University Hospital, Baltimore, MD, in deciding whether or not a patient is an alcoholic).

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16 minutes ago, Zealot said:

The 20 Questions

 

 

Take this 20 question test to help you decide whether or not you are an alcoholic. 

Answer YES or NO to the following questions.

1. Do you lose time from work due to drinking? 

YES __ NO __

2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy? 

YES __ NO __

3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?

YES __ NO __

4. Is your drinking affecting your reputation? 

YES __ NO __

5. Have you ever felt remorse after drinking?

YES __ NO __

6. Have you ever got into financial difficulties as a result of drinking?

YES __ NO __

7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?

YES __ NO __

8. Does your drinking make you careless of your family's welfare?

YES __ NO __

9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?

YES __ NO __

10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time?

YES __ NO __

11. Do you want a drink the next morning?

YES __ NO __

12. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?

YES __ NO __

13. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?

YES __ NO __

14. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?

YES __ NO __

15. Do you drink to escape from worries or trouble?

YES __ NO __

16. Do you drink alone?

YES __ NO __

17. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of drinking?

YES __ NO __

18. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?

YES __ NO __

19. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?

YES __ NO __

20. Have you ever been to a hospital or institution because of drinking?

YES __ NO __

What's your score?

If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic. 

If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.

If you answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.

(The test questions are used at Johns Hopkins University Hospital, Baltimore, MD, in deciding whether or not a patient is an alcoholic).

So many different ways to clue in..

Well, there was a condo owner who lived above me for a few  years. I did notice several times...taking the elevator just before 6:30 am, (yes, I was going to bike to work..) he was red and  smelled of alcohol. In an elevator, it can be noticeable.  He was also civil..but he was going to driving off at that time of morning. :huh:  He also away for months working 450 km.  north in the oil sands. He always seemed ok as an owner..  He moved away/sold his place.

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51 minutes ago, shootingstar said:

I know 2 women who had to actively stop themselves from having a glass of  red wine every evening. It was a habit that crept slowly in.

I lived in WI for 4 years for college.   I'd suggest that one beer a day in WI is not considered a drinking problem.   

Me... I just had a beer with lunch.    I did learn something from my college days. 

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So I have these bottles of wine and sadly, dearie is not around to share or use leftover for cooking. I seriously cannot open a full bottle unless 1-2 friends share.  

He did drink beer in earlier years..then just lost interest. Of course, enjoying fine wine a few times/yr.

A couple I visited ...they live in the  smaller region of vineyards and wine production (vancouver island): I noticed they had over 6 open bottles of wine in the fridge, probably gifts from guests/family visiting. They buy soda water to weaken their wine when I bought my gift bottle for them after we visited a vineyard just 20 min. away. I initially offered to buy wine on our way home from airport after picking me up.  They weren't interested.

Their 3 adult children have lived  in other parts of the world for past few yrs.

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6 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

1 every 3 years or so.

My favorite is coconut ice cream with a splash of Capt Morgan run through a blender to make a spicy desert.

Sounds like an alcoholic to me.  Maybe you should reduce to just the 29th of February.  :) 

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13 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

1 every 3 years or so.

My favorite is coconut ice cream with a splash of Capt Morgan run through a blender to make a spicy desert.

My extended family at home gatherings...for 3 bottles of wine:  about 3/4 done for 20 people. Of course about 4 people chose a beer instead. For a meal that stretched across 3 hrs. long.

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17 minutes ago, Zealot said:

The 20 Questions

 

 

Take this 20 question test to help you decide whether or not you are an alcoholic. 

Answer YES or NO to the following questions.

1. Do you lose time from work due to drinking? 

YES __ NO __

2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy? 

YES __ NO __

3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?

YES __ NO __

4. Is your drinking affecting your reputation? 

YES __ NO __

5. Have you ever felt remorse after drinking?

YES __ NO __

6. Have you ever got into financial difficulties as a result of drinking?

YES __ NO __

7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?

YES __ NO __

8. Does your drinking make you careless of your family's welfare?

YES __ NO __

9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?

YES __ NO __

10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time?

YES __ NO __

11. Do you want a drink the next morning?

YES __ NO __

12. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?

YES __ NO __

13. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?

YES __ NO __

14. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?

YES __ NO __

15. Do you drink to escape from worries or trouble?

YES __ NO __

16. Do you drink alone?

YES __ NO __

17. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of drinking?

YES __ NO __

18. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?

YES __ NO __

19. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?

YES __ NO __

20. Have you ever been to a hospital or institution because of drinking?

YES __ NO __

What's your score?

If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic. 

If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.

If you answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.

(The test questions are used at Johns Hopkins University Hospital, Baltimore, MD, in deciding whether or not a patient is an alcoholic).

I got zero.  

I will admit to being a social binge drinker though.  I am good with a couple of drinks followed by wine on a celebratory night.  I don't plan it and it doesn't happen that often but it does happen.  :) 

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7 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

I got zero.  

I will admit to being a social binge drinker though.  I am good with a couple of drinks followed by wine on a celebratory night.  I don't plan it and it doesn't happen that often but it does happen.  :) 

I honestly can answer yes to 8 of those. 

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4 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

To answer the question though, if your lady friends are drinking to cope (mother's little helper) then they have a problem. 

They are each, single older women. But really, being solo/single in life is no more an influence than being coupled with someone.

I know my niece enjoys trying different craft beers  with her hubby. 

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8 minutes ago, Zealot said:

I honestly can answer yes to 8 of those. 

Having your medical condition now, has that been a strong deterrent to keep reasonable (in addition to other factors)?

Meanwhile I find it embarrassing to get up  from table to go to washroom. I just hope the restaurant is low lit  for this terrific sunburn. :P  Once, there was a wedding toast...I dunno over  8 times..after I had already 3 gulps before the toasting began. :whistle:  Oh well. A minor "problem".  (thx mom and dad for giving this  gene.)

 

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24 minutes ago, Zealot said:

The 20 Questions

 

 

Take this 20 question test to help you decide whether or not you are an alcoholic. 

Answer YES or NO to the following questions.

1. Do you lose time from work due to drinking? 

YES __ NO __

2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy? 

YES __ NO __

3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?

YES __ NO __

4. Is your drinking affecting your reputation? 

YES __ NO __

5. Have you ever felt remorse after drinking?

YES __ NO __

6. Have you ever got into financial difficulties as a result of drinking?

YES __ NO __

7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?

YES __ NO __

8. Does your drinking make you careless of your family's welfare?

YES __ NO __

9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?

YES __ NO __

10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time?

YES __ NO __

11. Do you want a drink the next morning?

YES __ NO __

12. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?

YES __ NO __

13. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?

YES __ NO __

14. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?

YES __ NO __

15. Do you drink to escape from worries or trouble?

YES __ NO __

16. Do you drink alone?

YES __ NO __

17. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of drinking?

YES __ NO __

18. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?

YES __ NO __

19. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?

YES __ NO __

20. Have you ever been to a hospital or institution because of drinking?

YES __ NO __

What's your score?

If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic. 

If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.

If you answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.

(The test questions are used at Johns Hopkins University Hospital, Baltimore, MD, in deciding whether or not a patient is an alcoholic).

#11. A buddy, with an admitted drinking problem, told me that a little hair off the dog that bit you , really does seem to work.

I might done some morning drinking a few times, but it wasn't hair off the dog, it was more like a an 11:30 tee time or kick off.

The most recent episode involved an emergency trip to West Virginia (WV is reason enough to start drinking early), but I was in Brunswick, 6+ hours S/W from the house. Rather than drive home (north of the airport) then drive down to the airport at an ungodly hour (Atlanta traffic), I stayed nearish the coast & drove to the ATL early the next morning. I parked the truck, walked into the terminal, walked to my concourse (a considerable distance at the ATL). At the top of the escalator was a Sam Adams pub, it was open, I had plenty of time, so I had a seat & ordered a beer. Beer came, I drank, I asked if they had a pub menu. The beertender said yes, but they weren't serving lunch yet, but the Wendy's across the hall was still serving breakfast. Confuzzled, I looked at my watch (for the record, a fine Swiss timepiece) and saw that it was 10:20 AM. Oh my goodness.

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35 minutes ago, Zealot said:

The 20 Questions

 

 

Take this 20 question test to help you decide whether or not you are an alcoholic. 

Answer YES or NO to the following questions.

1. Do you lose time from work due to drinking? 

YES __ NO __

2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy? 

YES __ NO __

3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?

YES __ NO __

4. Is your drinking affecting your reputation? 

YES __ NO __

5. Have you ever felt remorse after drinking?

YES __ NO __

6. Have you ever got into financial difficulties as a result of drinking?

YES __ NO __

7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?

YES __ NO __

8. Does your drinking make you careless of your family's welfare?

YES __ NO __

9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?

YES __ NO __

10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time?

YES __ NO __

11. Do you want a drink the next morning?

YES __ NO __

12. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?

YES __ NO __

13. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?

YES __ NO __

14. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?

YES __ NO __

15. Do you drink to escape from worries or trouble?

YES __ NO __

16. Do you drink alone?

YES __ NO __

17. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of drinking?

YES __ NO __

18. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?

YES __ NO __

19. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?

YES __ NO __

20. Have you ever been to a hospital or institution because of drinking?

YES __ NO __

What's your score?

If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic. 

If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.

If you answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.

(The test questions are used at Johns Hopkins University Hospital, Baltimore, MD, in deciding whether or not a patient is an alcoholic).

I think some of those carry (a lot) more weight than others.

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6 minutes ago, shootingstar said:

Meanwhile I find it embarrassing to get up  from table to go to washroom. I just hope the restaurant is low lit  for this terrific sunburn. :P  Once, there was a wedding toast...I dunno over  8 times..after I had already 3 gulps before the toasting began. :whistle:  Oh well. A minor "problem".  (thx mom and dad for giving this  gene.)

 

It is funny sometimes to watch someone who flushes when they drink and try to play it off... 😉 

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3 minutes ago, Zealot said:

It is funny sometimes to watch someone who flushes when they drink and try to play it off... 😉 

Reaching in early 60's, there's no point pretending. It's just silly. It's annoying at times. It doesn't prevent wineries bike rides, though I realize one spits out the wine, as the proper way. Or just stops to have a light lunch.

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I agree with the others that for me concern depends on the why and the impact, but I wouldn't see anything wrong with a drink a day.  Most of my friends don't drink, so I'd guess I have less than 1 a month.

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27 minutes ago, Kirby said:

I agree with the others that for me concern depends on the why and the impact, but I wouldn't see anything wrong with a drink a day.  Most of my friends don't drink, so I'd guess I have less than 1 a month.

Even when dearie was around, for me, it was maybe every 2 months or something like that. When I first met him, he was on a weight-losing effort plus ramping up cycling. It was working for him.  That control, only held for about a decade. Anyway, during that time, for him he didn't want to drink hardly any wine.

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3 hours ago, Bikeguy said:

I lived in WI for 4 years for college.   I'd suggest that one beer a day in WI is not considered a drinking problem.   

Me... I just had a beer with lunch.    I did learn something from my college days. 

I'm born and raised in Wisconsin and it's normal to have a few every day. If you Google drunkest cities in America I live in the area of most of them. 

In some small towns taverns are used as community centers 

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6 minutes ago, BR46 said:

I'm born and raised in Wisconsin and it's normal to have a few every day. If you Google drunkest cities in America I live in the area of most of them. 

In some small towns taverns are used as community centers 

Not sure how interpret this for drunkest cities in America. Except it's a fact as you say.

As for the tavern's role..would be common in  European towns centuries ago. 

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I don't drink often, maybe twice a month and usually one or two beers, but there are occasions when I'll drink a 6 pack over several hours - especially if eating steamed crabs is part of the day.  I'm a beer or wine drinker - a shot of hard liquor only if everyone's celebrating something and doing the same.

If I'm relaxing at home and in the mood for it a couple times a year, I'll put away at least half a bottle of wine - along with summer sausage, cheese and crackers.

When I go to crab, bull or oyster roasts or a dance (when there's no pandemic), the affair generally lasts 3 hours.  I won't begin drinking beer until the last hour so I don't get publicly drunk - I developed that habit when I was a member of county commissions, a club's political officer, etc. and always presenting a sober appearance was very important.

There was one occasion when Maryland Governor Harry Hughes and his State Police Officer driver were both too drunk to get his limo out of a parking lot.  I drove it out to the main street, then told the driver to drive slow and be VERY careful. That was a couple months after Hughes signed into law a bill that required drunk drivers to lose their licenses.  That was later modified to a series of steps (breathalyzer for car, jail/home detention, loss of license) for multiple DUI's.

 

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I have beer zima in the fridge, but generally don't touch it unless the gf is over and we have a couple each, sometimes a third.  It is fun, tastes good, and is social.  In the summer, I might have a beer after a particularly long or good ride.  If I hang with friends and it is time to drink a fair bit, I will also drink a fair bit that night and enjoy it properly.

Previously had a couple of girlfriends who drank frequently, one did it as a means of self-medication, I feel.  Since I am a social drinker, I will drink up to the level of who I am hanging out with.  If I really start enjoying the frequency of it, I will just stop for a while because I like to drink, and don't want to ever take the chance of it becoming habitual or getting addicted to anything.  

I feel sorry for the Italian guy in the story above, North Americans tend to be so black and white on these issues.  College drinking is different, I drank a lot in college, but so did everyone else.  People in WI drink more than lots of other places, doesn't mean it is a problem, but rather a matter of course and culturally engrained.

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I have a beer several times a week with dinner.  As a child of an alcoholic, it's important to understand how alcohol can be either a "normal" thing or a dangerous one.  I very rarely get "drunk" - last time was on vacation and it was a blast but not something that I would think is fun much more often.  Luckily, beer comes in mild - maybe 5% ABV - up to strong - maybe 11%+ ABV - and if I have a pint of that stronger stuff, I feel it, but my normal stuff is 5%-8%.  

So, everything in moderation remains a good mantra.  A beer with food has a mild impact, but adds a nice component to the meal.  But drinking to drink?  Not really my thing.  Social drinking, like a happy hour, is pleasant enough, but wouldn't be a reason to drink too much more than normal.

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The last time I had a drink was sometime mid-1989.  I don't miss it.  I think of the taste of alcohol and think, why?  But then I think of the smell and taste of a cigarette and remember when I did that as well.

 

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@shootingstar interpret “one of the drunkest cities in the area” to mean that, per capita, they consume higher amounts of alcohol than other comparable areas. For example, Madison WI is the state Capitol and home to the University of Wisconsin. Per capita, they consume 5 gallons of beer, wine, and hard liquor per month. Salt Lake City UT is predominantly a Mormon community. Their alcohol consumption would be one cup per month. Note: for this example, I made up the numbers as I don’t have time to research the actual consumption amounts for each of the communities used.

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3 hours ago, Bag of Dicks said:

I feel sorry for the Italian guy in the story above, North Americans tend to be so black and white on these issues.  College drinking is different, I drank a lot in college, but so did everyone else.  People in WI drink more than lots of other places, doesn't mean it is a problem, but rather a matter of course and culturally engrained.

Dearie came from Germany as a child but still had strong memories of his parents occasionally enjoying a small shot of  cherry liquor (kirschwasser...probably spelling it wrong) which is southern Germany, famous wine region. And on weekends often, as a teen in CAnada, German immigrant friends at his parents' house eating, dancing and drinking abit.

It didn't influence him much. His ex was from the UK and hence, they went overseas several times to visit. But still he didn't seem interested at all to learn more about the beers, ales or get into it. I think his stepfather occasionally had too much at home and did hit his mother..who was a kind tempered woman . (I knew her for over a decade before she died.) He probably pschologically separated himself never to become like his stepfather.

So to him wine, was the drink to be enjoyed with loved ones for a special/good meal occasionally. I admit: I was glad to be  with someone who I never got drunk.. he  easily would have 2 glasses of wine. Me only 1/3 of glass. All my memory meals with wine and him, are happy.

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5 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said:

For me, not much more than one night of drinking per year.  It is terrible for us anyway.  

nun uhh. The book I read on prostate health said red wine is okay. 

Bacchus would say otherwise too.

Baccus Roman god of wine | Roman drawings, Roman gods, God art

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On 2/21/2022 at 1:50 PM, Zealot said:

The 20 Questions

 

 

Take this 20 question test to help you decide whether or not you are an alcoholic. 

Answer YES or NO to the following questions.

1. Do you lose time from work due to drinking? 

YES __ NO __

2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy? 

YES __ NO __

3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?

YES __ NO __

4. Is your drinking affecting your reputation? 

YES __ NO __

5. Have you ever felt remorse after drinking?

YES __ NO __

6. Have you ever got into financial difficulties as a result of drinking?

YES __ NO __

7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?

YES __ NO __

8. Does your drinking make you careless of your family's welfare?

YES __ NO __

9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?

YES __ NO __

10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time?

YES __ NO __

11. Do you want a drink the next morning?

YES __ NO __

12. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?

YES __ NO __

13. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?

YES __ NO __

14. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?

YES __ NO __

15. Do you drink to escape from worries or trouble?

YES __ NO __

16. Do you drink alone?

YES __ NO __

17. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of drinking?

YES __ NO __

18. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?

YES __ NO __

19. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?

YES __ NO __

20. Have you ever been to a hospital or institution because of drinking?

YES __ NO __

What's your score?

If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic. 

If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.

If you answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.

(The test questions are used at Johns Hopkins University Hospital, Baltimore, MD, in deciding whether or not a patient is an alcoholic).

I score 3.

However #17 happened over 40 years ago.

#12 due to having to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom after 3 or 4 beers. 

#10 depends on the definition of 'crave'. I have a beer or three around 9 PM most nights. I'm thinking it's more of a habit than a craving.

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I enjoy beer but limit myself to maybe 2 bottles a month. More for diabetes management than anything else.  I drank a six pack a week before diabetes. 

Now I buy a 12 pack and tell my son to save me a few and don’t freaking drink the last one.  When I’m down to the last bottle I’ll get another 12 pack. My son will drink most of it though. 

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